It's time to find out where these two thugs are currently employed and post their names. I'm sure that the local dept would be proud of their actions. Start exposing them. To many folks think they are your friends and still protect and service.
I disagree. This guy didn't shut down police. Exercise of rights dutifully stopped corrupted fools with a sense of title of nobility. The dutiful and informed action by a educated Citizen forced a supposed government agent to decide that bullying tactics weren't going to work this time.
See, so it wasn't police getting shut down, it was just run of the mill BULLIES! You know what this particular breed of bully fears more than a populace armed with "assault weapons"? A Citizenry armed with intelligence, wisdom and the courage to use it.
Today's "police" are being trained directly to recognize several key points - one of which is being asked for three forms of ID. Another is the questions THEY get asked (am I being officially detained? Do you suspect me of a crime? Am I free to go?). Now, it's guised under the "sovereign Citizen " label and "militia men" BUT they KNOW FULL WELL that these signs MEAN they better stand down the bullying - because their tactic of claiming "consensual encounter" falls flat once these questions are asked of them.
I'll commend this dude for his strong stand but point out he shouldn't even have answered how many people were in the home - for gumbint will likely claim that since he answered THAT he is somehow obligated to be compelled to answer other inquiries. Like saying he refused to produce ID he should have stated he doesn't answer bullying questions AS A MATTER OF RIGHT to remain silent.
People gotta get it through their heads that "police" HAVE NO AUTHORITY unless we cede it to them willingly. Until they start acting within the confines of their role, we must step up and cede ZERO.
Good for him! Thank God people are finally getting educated about their rights. The camera in this case my have saved someone's life. It's a sad commentary that citizens are reduced to arguing with officers to protect themselves from abuse from the state.
Some friends and I discussed a very similar situation:
Someone pounding on my friend's door at 2am. Turned out to be police who'd allegedly gotten a 911 hang up call from his residence and the cops (who didn't identify themselves while pounding on said door) wanted to check it out.
We all discussed it. I simply wouldn't answer my door, turn on a light or communicate anyone was home....that's my default position. If I don't know you're coming over, I don't answer the door or alert anyone to my presence....and all my friends know it. If they choose to break in, I'm armed and usually in a strategic place.
Apparently, the politically correct answer is to call 911 and tell the operator there is someone outside pounding on your door and ask if it might be police.
Personally, if it's not police or if it is police hell bent on infringing on my rights....makes no difference so I argued: call AFTER something happens and in the meantime, prepare for the worst.
I think it's all well and good if you have a camera and you want to talk to police. I'd never advocate opening the door unless you also have a stout security door....there's risk to any strategy. The cops *could* get a warrant. If you open the door, they *could* ignore the law and use force to get inside. If you say nothing and don't answer, they *could* break in the door and you'd be forced to make a decision about shooting or not....or they could just go away.
What's everyone else's take on what the best course of action may be?
A thing of beauty. Every citizen in America should respond to police in exactly the same manner in every instance. That fat pig on the left has NO IDEA what the law is and assumed, as most police do, that everybody has to do what he says because he has a badge. He was utterly dumbfounded when this guy refused his orders. Also - this person should sue this officer and this department. Fatboy threatened to "drag him out" of his house. Under what authority? "Thugs" is right.
Don't think it applies here, but I think there is a principle of "hot pursuit" that allows a cop to pursue a suspect into a dwelling without a warrant.
Is there a correlation between obesity and stupid aggressiveness on the part of cops? I'm just sayin....
Actually, yes. The fatter they are, the more incompetent they are. The more incompetent they are, the more they have to lie and cheat to keep their job. So, the fat ones will always aggressively lie and cheat, because it is the only way they can even pretend to do their jobs.
Don't open the door, talk through the window. If they have a warrant they will be in soon enough. If you have opened the door, shut it immediately and have a conversation through the window or through the door. He got lucky.
I don't I would have tolerated these guys for more than 30 seconds. It would have been something like, "Oh! No warrant? The guy you're looking for ain't here. End of story. Now get lost!"
It's all fun & games until the guy that assaulted your mother/wife etc in the apartment complex parking lot runs into his "homie's" apartment and this exact thing happens.
No snitchin' is par for the course with blacks, which this guy sounded like.
It's all fun & games until the guy that assaulted your mother/wife etc in the apartment complex parking lot runs into his "homie's" apartment and this exact thing happens.
Then do some damned policework. Get the testimony, file an affidavit, and get a warrant. Leave fatboy who doesn't have time for PT there with a box of donuts to make sure he doesn't come out.
So you think the Bill of Rights should be ignored when doing so could help solve crimes? Sure, why not just let police enter our homes at random and strip-search us on a hunch as we're walking down the street? I'm sure that would help the police catch more criminals than they already do. The problem is that unchecked government power leads to far greater crimes by government than could ever be committed by common street criminals. Crimes like genocide, for example. Open a history book sometime, learn what happens when governments gain too much power, and find out why the Bill of Rights must remain non-negotiable and should be defended at ALL costs.
Apart from that, it's simply unacceptable for cops to show so little respect for citizens. The cop-bashing is entirely justified until cops start remembering that they're being paid to serve the public, not dominate or bully people.
Don't think it applies here, but I think there is a principle of "hot pursuit" that allows a cop to pursue a suspect into a dwelling without a warrant.
September 4, 2014 at 11:07 AM
You are generally correct, sir. HOWEVER, the fact that they did not charge straight in makes me suspect they were acting on hearsay information. They weren't totally sure if the guy was in that particular apartment, so they went to default aggressive mode. Didn't work this time fortunately for the citizen.
On a totally unrelated matter, what's this about three forms of ID? Nice to have a source I can quote on that.
I just knew a bootlicker would comment at some point. Some 3 percenter he is going to make (roll eyes).
"Don't open the door, talk through the window."
Indeed. If a cop ever shows up at my home, he will be talking to me while I am at a second-story window. And yes, that way you can indeed say "Get lost". When your front door is open it is much tougher. But that is Monday-morning quarterbacking. The young man did well.
Bravo to that brave man, he is a hero to all free men. I want to find his name and address and help him some how. Those thugs thought they could trample his rights and bully him because they are used to people allowing him to do so.
HOWEVER, the fact that they did not charge straight in makes me suspect they were acting on hearsay information
THAT is the thing. The won't ask if they are legally entitled to just do it. If they didn't need his permission, they wouldn't ask for it. That went out a long, long time ago. Now, the only time they are asking is when you have to say yes (or at least not no.)
Any time a cop asks you to do something or for permission for something, say no. He wouldn't be asking if he wasn't forced to.
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This is what should have happened in Boston.
It's time to find out where these two thugs are currently employed and post their names. I'm sure that the local dept would be proud of their actions. Start exposing them. To many folks think they are your friends and still protect and service.
I disagree. This guy didn't shut down police.
Exercise of rights dutifully stopped corrupted fools with a sense of title of nobility. The dutiful and informed action by a educated Citizen forced a supposed government agent to decide that bullying tactics weren't going to work this time.
See, so it wasn't police getting shut down, it was just run of the mill BULLIES! You know what this particular breed of bully fears more than a populace armed with "assault weapons"? A Citizenry armed with intelligence, wisdom and the courage to use it.
Today's "police" are being trained directly to recognize several key points - one of which is being asked for three forms of ID. Another is the questions THEY get asked (am I being officially detained? Do you suspect me of a crime? Am I free to go?). Now, it's guised under the "sovereign Citizen " label and "militia men" BUT they KNOW FULL WELL that these signs MEAN they better stand down the bullying - because their tactic of claiming "consensual encounter" falls flat once these questions are asked of them.
I'll commend this dude for his strong stand but point out he shouldn't even have answered how many people were in the home - for gumbint will likely claim that since he answered THAT he is somehow obligated to be compelled to answer other inquiries. Like saying he refused to produce ID he should have stated he doesn't answer bullying questions AS A MATTER OF RIGHT to remain silent.
People gotta get it through their heads that "police" HAVE NO AUTHORITY unless we cede it to them willingly. Until they start acting within the confines of their role, we must step up and cede ZERO.
Good for him! Thank God people are finally getting educated about their rights. The camera in this case my have saved someone's life. It's a sad commentary that citizens are reduced to arguing with officers to protect themselves from abuse from the state.
Some friends and I discussed a very similar situation:
Someone pounding on my friend's door at 2am. Turned out to be police who'd allegedly gotten a 911 hang up call from his residence and the cops (who didn't identify themselves while pounding on said door) wanted to check it out.
We all discussed it. I simply wouldn't answer my door, turn on a light or communicate anyone was home....that's my default position. If I don't know you're coming over, I don't answer the door or alert anyone to my presence....and all my friends know it. If they choose to break in, I'm armed and usually in a strategic place.
Apparently, the politically correct answer is to call 911 and tell the operator there is someone outside pounding on your door and ask if it might be police.
Personally, if it's not police or if it is police hell bent on infringing on my rights....makes no difference so I argued: call AFTER something happens and in the meantime, prepare for the worst.
I think it's all well and good if you have a camera and you want to talk to police. I'd never advocate opening the door unless you also have a stout security door....there's risk to any strategy. The cops *could* get a warrant. If you open the door, they *could* ignore the law and use force to get inside. If you say nothing and don't answer, they *could* break in the door and you'd be forced to make a decision about shooting or not....or they could just go away.
What's everyone else's take on what the best course of action may be?
A thing of beauty. Every citizen in America should respond to police in exactly the same manner in every instance. That fat pig on the left has NO IDEA what the law is and assumed, as most police do, that everybody has to do what he says because he has a badge. He was utterly dumbfounded when this guy refused his orders. Also - this person should sue this officer and this department. Fatboy threatened to "drag him out" of his house. Under what authority? "Thugs" is right.
Don't think it applies here, but I think there is a principle of "hot pursuit" that allows a cop to pursue a suspect into a dwelling without a warrant.
Is there a correlation between obesity and stupid aggressiveness on the part of cops? I'm just sayin....
Actually, yes. The fatter they are, the more incompetent they are. The more incompetent they are, the more they have to lie and cheat to keep their job. So, the fat ones will always aggressively lie and cheat, because it is the only way they can even pretend to do their jobs.
Don't open the door, talk through the window. If they have a warrant they will be in soon enough. If you have opened the door, shut it immediately and have a conversation through the window or through the door. He got lucky.
I don't I would have tolerated these guys for more than 30 seconds.
It would have been something like,
"Oh! No warrant? The guy you're looking for ain't here. End of story. Now get lost!"
It's all fun & games until the guy that assaulted your mother/wife etc in the apartment complex parking lot runs into his "homie's" apartment and this exact thing happens.
No snitchin' is par for the course with blacks, which this guy sounded like.
Keep up the great cop bashing.
It's all fun & games until the guy that assaulted your mother/wife etc in the apartment complex parking lot runs into his "homie's" apartment and this exact thing happens.
Then do some damned policework. Get the testimony, file an affidavit, and get a warrant. Leave fatboy who doesn't have time for PT there with a box of donuts to make sure he doesn't come out.
Shouldn't your name be Thin Blue Line, copsucker?
Thin Red Line,
So you think the Bill of Rights should be ignored when doing so could help solve crimes? Sure, why not just let police enter our homes at random and strip-search us on a hunch as we're walking down the street? I'm sure that would help the police catch more criminals than they already do. The problem is that unchecked government power leads to far greater crimes by government than could ever be committed by common street criminals. Crimes like genocide, for example. Open a history book sometime, learn what happens when governments gain too much power, and find out why the Bill of Rights must remain non-negotiable and should be defended at ALL costs.
Apart from that, it's simply unacceptable for cops to show so little respect for citizens. The cop-bashing is entirely justified until cops start remembering that they're being paid to serve the public, not dominate or bully people.
Don't think it applies here, but I think there is a principle of "hot pursuit" that allows a cop to pursue a suspect into a dwelling without a warrant.
September 4, 2014 at 11:07 AM
You are generally correct, sir. HOWEVER, the fact that they did not charge straight in makes me suspect they were acting on hearsay information. They weren't totally sure if the guy was in that particular apartment, so they went to default aggressive mode.
Didn't work this time fortunately for the citizen.
On a totally unrelated matter, what's this about three forms of ID? Nice to have a source I can quote on that.
I just knew a bootlicker would comment at some point. Some 3 percenter he is going to make (roll eyes).
"Don't open the door, talk through the window."
Indeed. If a cop ever shows up at my home, he will be talking to me while I am at a second-story window. And yes, that way you can indeed say "Get lost". When your front door is open it is much tougher. But that is Monday-morning quarterbacking. The young man did well.
Bravo to that brave man, he is a hero to all free men. I want to find his name and address and help him some how. Those thugs thought they could trample his rights and bully him because they are used to people allowing him to do so.
HOWEVER, the fact that they did not charge straight in makes me suspect they were acting on hearsay information
THAT is the thing. The won't ask if they are legally entitled to just do it. If they didn't need his permission, they wouldn't ask for it. That went out a long, long time ago. Now, the only time they are asking is when you have to say yes (or at least not no.)
Any time a cop asks you to do something or for permission for something, say no. He wouldn't be asking if he wasn't forced to.
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